Post a comment that is more about one of the thesis topics. Not a q and a approach. In comment identify which thesis topic is subject matter.
Vary topic with each successive BOOK of The Odyssey
In this chapter you see a lot of maturity coming from Telemachus. After fighting the battle two men that have been loyal to him are pleading mercy. He stands up to his father and protects the innocent men. This shows that he will do what is right no matter who stands in his way. Before he left Ithaca on his journey he was just a kid and would never stand up to his father like that, but now he has matured so much.
In this book, The Great Rooted Bed, Penelope is hesitant towards Odysseus. She is unsure if he is actually her husband since the possibilities of arriving home twenty years later after setting sail is unlikely. She questions him and tries to figure out if he is the man she once loved (and still does). This shows that the qualities of Penelope are strong and questionable. She wants proof and doesn't believe anything until she gets the right evidence. In the end of the book when book when she finds out it is truly Odysseus, her qualities of forgiving and happiness appear since Odysseus is home at last.
I think that Penelope's cautiousness is always present throughout the books. What we now know from this book is that Penelope will never agree to anything or believe is something a person says without reason or evidence. For example, in book XXIII Penelope questions whether Odysseus really is who he says to be. She tests him with some of their secret signs from several years ago, and she asks him about the bed that is unable to be lifted. Also, I have noticed changes in Athena. It seems that she is now making Odysseus see what he is capable of, rather than her helping him out all the time. She is also not as kind and warm-hearted as she used to be, and it seems she is taking charge and telling Odysseus he must confront his power.
This book showed a lot about the qualities that Odysseus and Penelope have in common. They are both cautious, modest, and they like to test others. Odysseus' modesty was displayed when he was with Eurycleia, watching over the dead bodies. Instead of rejoicing for his triumph, he was not happy that he had killed so many people. Penelope had the same reaction to hearing that the suitors were killed because it was still horrible that there had been manslaughter in her house. Another quality both of these characters obtain is that of cautiousness and willingness to test others. Penelope was overjoyed to hear her husband was back home, but she could not let her excitement mask the fear that this man was another imposer. Instead of running up to him immediately, she tested him by asking about their secret sign. When he responded perfectly, she knew then all her worries could fade away and she would run to her husband and embrace him. It shows caution in both of them that they would have come up with a secret sign in the first place. Not many people would have an initial instinct to come up with a "sign" so that their significant other would always be able to recognize them.
In the last two chapters, it is apparent how much Telemachus has grown and matured, compared to other times in the book, where he has made an attempt, but not gotten the same results. In the previous book, he helps his father do a dreadful but righteous task, and helps the swineherd, cowherd, and nurses do the right thing as well. On the other hand, this book is where Telemachus shows maturity in leaving his parents for a short amount of time, which he knows they need. Overall, this book shows in much greater depth how Telemachus has matured more than in any other book.
Throughout these two chapters the qualities of Telemachus's character have shown through greatly. He was able to stand up to his father when the two innocent people were begging for mercy and Odysseus wanted to kill them. He also was upset with Penelope for not believing that the strange man standing in front of her was indeed her husband. He seems to want to be the peacekeeper of the family and is doing a good job so far. While I always though that Telemachus was mature and brave these qualities reached a new level in this book.
In this chapter we see Penelope very differently than in the previous chapters. Even when she has heard from the three people she loves the most, Telemachus, Odysseus and Eurycleia, that the beggar was Odysseus and that he is home, she doesn't trust them. We see in this chapter that Penelope has lost faith in the Gods and the people she loves the most. Her cautiousness sometimes keeps her from trusting and loving the people close to her. To really believe that Odysseus is actually Odysseus he needs to prove himself. She finally believed him when he showed her that he knew the secret that only they knew. Her unwillingness to trust is what kept her safe and loyal all these years but also kept her from her husband for a few days.
It is known that Penelope is crafty life Odysseus, but in this book we learn that she is also smart. When she sees Odysseus, she does not run to greet him instantly, she is wary. She knows that there is very little chance her husband really could have returned, so she tells Euryclia to move her bed, which she knows is impossible. This is her testing Odysseus, to see if he really is Odysseus, which he is.
We now see that Penelope also is capable of being cunning and can master trickery, like her husband. Although it was hard for her to believe, Odysseus was home, and had killed all the suitors. After having been deceived by arrogant men for twenty years, she is completely guarded. Also, Odysseus has been gone for twenty years. She couldn't even recognize him at first. She was trying to see if this person was actually her husband by asking Eurycleia to move her bed, which the real Odysseus would know that it was impossible. This trick was harmless and affective, and she was finally able to let her guard down.
In this book Penelope finds out that Odysseus is finally home. But because of this we see that penelope is not sure if it is really odysseus, and is showing some caution. She then asks him questions, and she finally finds out that odysseus is really odysseus when he tells her, her secret. This shows that penelope has lost faith in some people like the gods or even her family members because she does not believe them. She didnt recognize him and beleive it was him, she thought that he would never come home, but he finally did, and in the end she relaizes it is really odysseus.
In this chapter you see a lot of maturity coming from Telemachus. After fighting the battle two men that have been loyal to him are pleading mercy. He stands up to his father and protects the innocent men. This shows that he will do what is right no matter who stands in his way. Before he left Ithaca on his journey he was just a kid and would never stand up to his father like that, but now he has matured so much.
ReplyDeleteIn this book, The Great Rooted Bed, Penelope is hesitant towards Odysseus. She is unsure if he is actually her husband since the possibilities of arriving home twenty years later after setting sail is unlikely. She questions him and tries to figure out if he is the man she once loved (and still does). This shows that the qualities of Penelope are strong and questionable. She wants proof and doesn't believe anything until she gets the right evidence. In the end of the book when book when she finds out it is truly Odysseus, her qualities of forgiving and happiness appear since Odysseus is home at last.
ReplyDeleteI think that Penelope's cautiousness is always present throughout the books. What we now know from this book is that Penelope will never agree to anything or believe is something a person says without reason or evidence. For example, in book XXIII Penelope questions whether Odysseus really is who he says to be. She tests him with some of their secret signs from several years ago, and she asks him about the bed that is unable to be lifted. Also, I have noticed changes in Athena. It seems that she is now making Odysseus see what he is capable of, rather than her helping him out all the time. She is also not as kind and warm-hearted as she used to be, and it seems she is taking charge and telling Odysseus he must confront his power.
ReplyDeleteThis book showed a lot about the qualities that Odysseus and Penelope have in common. They are both cautious, modest, and they like to test others. Odysseus' modesty was displayed when he was with Eurycleia, watching over the dead bodies. Instead of rejoicing for his triumph, he was not happy that he had killed so many people. Penelope had the same reaction to hearing that the suitors were killed because it was still horrible that there had been manslaughter in her house. Another quality both of these characters obtain is that of cautiousness and willingness to test others. Penelope was overjoyed to hear her husband was back home, but she could not let her excitement mask the fear that this man was another imposer. Instead of running up to him immediately, she tested him by asking about their secret sign. When he responded perfectly, she knew then all her worries could fade away and she would run to her husband and embrace him. It shows caution in both of them that they would have come up with a secret sign in the first place. Not many people would have an initial instinct to come up with a "sign" so that their significant other would always be able to recognize them.
ReplyDeleteIn the last two chapters, it is apparent how much Telemachus has grown and matured, compared to other times in the book, where he has made an attempt, but not gotten the same results. In the previous book, he helps his father do a dreadful but righteous task, and helps the swineherd, cowherd, and nurses do the right thing as well. On the other hand, this book is where Telemachus shows maturity in leaving his parents for a short amount of time, which he knows they need. Overall, this book shows in much greater depth how Telemachus has matured more than in any other book.
ReplyDeleteThroughout these two chapters the qualities of Telemachus's character have shown through greatly. He was able to stand up to his father when the two innocent people were begging for mercy and Odysseus wanted to kill them. He also was upset with Penelope for not believing that the strange man standing in front of her was indeed her husband. He seems to want to be the peacekeeper of the family and is doing a good job so far. While I always though that Telemachus was mature and brave these qualities reached a new level in this book.
ReplyDeleteIn this chapter we see Penelope very differently than in the previous chapters. Even when she has heard from the three people she loves the most, Telemachus, Odysseus and Eurycleia, that the beggar was Odysseus and that he is home, she doesn't trust them. We see in this chapter that Penelope has lost faith in the Gods and the people she loves the most. Her cautiousness sometimes keeps her from trusting and loving the people close to her. To really believe that Odysseus is actually Odysseus he needs to prove himself. She finally believed him when he showed her that he knew the secret that only they knew. Her unwillingness to trust is what kept her safe and loyal all these years but also kept her from her husband for a few days.
ReplyDeleteIt is known that Penelope is crafty life Odysseus, but in this book we learn that she is also smart. When she sees Odysseus, she does not run to greet him instantly, she is wary. She knows that there is very little chance her husband really could have returned, so she tells Euryclia to move her bed, which she knows is impossible. This is her testing Odysseus, to see if he really is Odysseus, which he is.
ReplyDeleteWe now see that Penelope also is capable of being cunning and can master trickery, like her husband. Although it was hard for her to believe, Odysseus was home, and had killed all the suitors. After having been deceived by arrogant men for twenty years, she is completely guarded. Also, Odysseus has been gone for twenty years. She couldn't even recognize him at first. She was trying to see if this person was actually her husband by asking Eurycleia to move her bed, which the real Odysseus would know that it was impossible. This trick was harmless and affective, and she was finally able to let her guard down.
ReplyDeleteIn this book Penelope finds out that Odysseus is finally home. But because of this we see that penelope is not sure if it is really odysseus, and is showing some caution. She then asks him questions, and she finally finds out that odysseus is really odysseus when he tells her, her secret. This shows that penelope has lost faith in some people like the gods or even her family members because she does not believe them. She didnt recognize him and beleive it was him, she thought that he would never come home, but he finally did, and in the end she relaizes it is really odysseus.
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